“Wes Annac Interviews” is an interview-based series I created to give the spotlight to fellow seekers who aren’t well-known in the conscious circles.

I think every seeker should be empowered; should be given a voice to express themselves and how they feel about various aspects of our unfolding evolution and our construction of a new, utopian society. The purpose of this series is to do just that – provide a voice for everyone out there who has something important to say.

All of this series’ interviews are recorded and transcribed into articles.

In this interview, I talk with an old friend from high school, who’s chosen to speak under the pseudonym “Eric Dweller”. Like me, he’s been on an intense path of spiritual awakening since our days at school, and he has a lot of personal revelations to share with us.

We started the conversation by talking about astral travel, but as you’ll see, we veered off into various other subjects.

Wes Annac: Hey everybody, this is Wes Annac from The Culture of Awareness and Oversoul Teachings, and I’m here today talking with my good friend Eric Dweller, who’s going to share some of his knowledge about astral travel with us.

Now, I’ve had my own experiences astral traveling – I practice visualization, which is sort of an attempted perception of the fourth dimension. I’m wondering if you’ve had any experiences that are similar to that.

Eric Dweller: Well, astral travel has been around for a really long time, and with astral travel you can really go just about anywhere you imagine. Some people have claimed to have went to Europa, which is an ancient [moon] that has what they think is ‘alien’ fish inside, according to National Geographic.

WA: Really? Very interesting.

ED: I always wonder if that’s not really where they originally found [the fish]. NASA, you know, they drop some interesting things.

WA: Yes, I know NASA suppresses a lot of interesting things.

ED: Oh, exactly. There’s always some secrets out there – secrets they don’t want you to know.

WA: I’ve seen pictures of lizards on mars that they try to cover up, but people are growing in awareness every day, you know, these truths can’t be suppressed for long.

ED: Well, everything anyone’s ever thought of actually exists. It all goes into, really, into an inter-dimension. It’s all in oneself, essentially. The way is through the pineal gland, however you want to look at it.

WA: Absolutely. So what have your experiences been like with astral travel and the utilization of the pineal gland as the portal some seekers have come to recognize it as?

ED: Well, it depends on what you mean by ‘portal’. A lot of people use magic to open portals. Michio Kaku, a theoretical physicist actually has, I guess you could say, hypothesized on the idea that you can actually open up an alternate reality, externally as well as internally.

There’s many different ways to open up portals.

WA: Maybe the internal way is the best way to go.

ED: Yes, it’s much safer. You can explore yourself – your entire id, ego and super-ego all at once, and it’s actually a very humbling experience. You actually have to face all of your personal demons, and as long as you can make peace with them and have love in your heart, that’s all you really need is love, you know.

As cliché as it may sound, it’s cliché for a reason.

WA: Oh yes, yes. Everything has its greater purpose, even if it seems cliché.

Have your astral travel experiences given you any greater ability to handle the personal demons that have held you and plenty of other seekers back in the past?

ED: It’s given me a synthetic way of looking at ‘demons’. Instead of externally, which is sort of the traditional or the archaic look at it where it’s on the outside coming at us, I would say it’s in our genetics – that we can access our genes through fasting, through vitamins, through different kinds of consciousness expansion.

WA: There are a lot of things we can do.

ED: There’s no reason for it to be unnatural. I mean, you can get to that plane of existence – I like to refer to it as the fourth dimension. The fourth dimension is very real. I think of it as the merger of religion and spirituality; absolute science and atheism. I think they can come together.

WA: And the fourth dimension is where it’s going to happen. The ascension-related beliefs we’ve talked about that a lot of people who are part of the conscious community support express the idea that we’re traveling through the fourth dimension right now as we become aware and use our awareness to help others.

ED: Well, we have to realize that time itself is an illusion. It doesn’t actually exist. It only holds relativity to those who are on a specific clock or really worried. Once you completely remove anxiety, then you’re truly free to explore those realms, I would say. You find synchronicity.

WA: You open up to a deeper and clearer aspect of yourself and, from my own visualization exercises – because I used to lead visualization-based exercises for the newsletter, and the subscribers and I went on a lot of different journeys to a lot of different places.

We used our blessing abilities as lightworkers, and we basically perceived a lot of higher fourth-dimensional realms (and just general fourth-dimensional realms) and tried to penetrate the barrier between us and even greater realms.

ED: It’s very important to realize [that] the standard realm, that’s concrete – the physical/material world – I would say the physical and spiritual realms go hand in hand.

WA: Everything is one. What we perceive in our external reality is composed of the same matter that lives within, which we perceive when we astral travel; when we make an effort to visualize the higher states of consciousness that we’re returning to – gradually yet maybe rapidly if more of us wake up.

ED: For those of us who wake up, I think – I strongly believe – it’s our concrete mission to wake everyone else up and free minds. Because our minds are always at war, you know, there’s always the cynic within and the mystic within and you can merge the two.

WA: And that’s what a lot of awakening seekers who are traversing the path of ascension/enlightenment are starting to task themselves with doing, and I know I’m one of them. I tend to falter along the path at times, but my growing perception of spirit tends to strengthen and empower me in, really, an unprecedented way.

It really helps me get through the bad and decrease or transcend my perception of the evil that exists and runs rampant on this world, however badly it does run rampant. I’m still able to be on my own cloud but have my feet on the ground. You know?

ED: And I don’t see anything wrong with that.

Concluded in Part 2 tomorrow.

Photo by PocahontasBrandy, 2014.